Curse

zwei2stein · Jan 03, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by aapo

...Think hard now.

- He can commit heresy

Seriously?

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- He can use drugs

Not a crime

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- He can pirate software

By your definition not a crime either.

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- He can commit suicide

Not a crime.

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- He can have thoughts about murder and crimes, plan them
- etc.

Yeah, thoughtcrime.

For person which likes to be in highhorse and links people who want to play the same game that they bought two year ago to racists, you are pretty sad yourself.

Not only you are closeminded (Herecy, crime? Are you american or what?), you intend telling people what is right and wrong too (drug usage does not hurt anyone, related social effects do, hech out how much hard and soft drugs people around you use ... Tobaco and Alcohol is drug too btw; Sucide is crime only in Bible, not only its pointless to consider it crime /unless you want to deny people burial/, who are you to tell anyone to breath or not. ) You go as far as categorizing mere thoughts at crime, bravo.

I am stunned on what 21st century person can consider crime.

Chicken Ftw · Jan 03, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

chowmein69 · Jan 03, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

I used ursan one time to vanquish , but i still died so i dont use it.

Angelic Upstart · Jan 03, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

UB is utter shite...it brings nothing of any worth to the game at all...period.

zwei2stein · Jan 03, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

Because were are doing "being arogant" thing wrong: http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Arrogant

upier · Jan 03, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

Because you both bought the game?
And the shitty player has the same right to experience the game as the good one. The only difference is that the good players are now demanding that the shitty ones shouldn't be able to experience the game. Or better yet - the shitty players have the right to experience the game AFTER they reach the level of experience that was defined BY the GOOD PLAYERS rather then the creators of the game!
I fail to see what gives the good players this right. Did I miss something in the EULA?

MirkoTeran · Jan 03, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by aapo

- He can commit heresy
- He can use drugs
- He can pirate software
- He can commit suicide
- He can have thoughts about murder and crimes, plan them
- etc.

I'm an SW-pirating atheist who is currently thinking of killing a few posters in this thread. Arrest me now?

Seriously, take the red pill and welcome to the real world.

Chicken Ftw · Jan 03, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Or better yet - the shitty players have the right to experience the game AFTER they reach the level of experience that was defined BY the GOOD PLAYERS rather then the creators of the game!

Actually, the elite areas and HM being made as hard as they are demand a certain level of skill. Well, used to. So yes, the creators did essentially say "you need x experience to succeed here". Then came the QQ from the lazy, and voila, PvE skills.

upier · Jan 03, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Actually, the elite areas and HM being made as hard as they are demand a certain level of skill. Well, used to. So yes, the creators did essentially say "you need x experience to succeed here". Then came the QQ from the lazy, and voila, PvE skills.

From the EULA:
(c) NC Interactive has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as it sees fit in its sole discretion.

And that was wrong ... because?

aapo · Jan 03, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

For person which likes to be in highhorse and links people who want to play the same game that they bought two year ago to racists, you are pretty sad yourself.

- So now you changed your "nerf ursan" into "would like to play same game as 2 years ago". Well isn't that quite a trip?

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Not only you are closeminded (Herecy, crime? Are you american or what?), you intend telling people what is right and wrong too

- It's kind of hard to discuss with people who seem to have no reading comprehension at all. How would you sum up my last post? What was the point in that? Do you think that I'm debating whether heresy is a crime or not? Do you not understand that heretics are people who are immoral according to religious people and it's a fitting example of immoral action which doesn't require involvement with other people?

I'm sorry dude, but arguments are not falsified by misunderstanding, ignoring or belittling your opponents. What kind of messed up schools you've been going?

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I am stunned on what 21st century person can consider crime.

- Indeed. Let people play games like they want without hurting other peoples' same right.

leprekan · Jan 03, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

UH .. it IS arrogant.

Your hand is not forced into using Ursan. YOU and those spamming that Illusion of Leetness signet do not have the right to dictate to the masses how their instance should be played. Assuming (which all of you are) that those using it are "bad" or "noobs" without even knowing the players skill level is the epitome of arrogance.

Sorry uber players .. some of us have 32 months and 9k hours played .. what the hell should we be learning about the game at this stage? I mastered FoW in May of 05 .. should I do it in a way that takes longer to earn your approval? Dream on it won't be happening.

This is guildwars .. probably the worst online community. Trying to imply that you care about Timmy the noob getting better is about as believeable as the concept of the Tooth Fairy. The honest wah is that those spamming that Illusion of Leetness signet are trying to protect a farm or NEED to feel superior to others. The fact Anet has not acted upon the 10 nerf ursan threads leans towards they are bright enough to see that.

You have your instance .. stay out of ours.

Kahlindra · Jan 03, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Personally, have made a conscious decision not to use it; I team with others who don't use it, no one on my friends list uses it, I'm in a guild that laughs at it. It is NEVER necessary.

However, everyone else should do whatever they want with their skills. I'm still finding teams to play in, and still vanquishing pretty easily without it, so it has zero impact on me. Do what you like. I just won't play with you

Lawliet Kira · Jan 03, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Well...i acutlly like the skill. I use it in almost all missions and quests and i breeze through them

Malice Black · Jan 03, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Well...i acutlly like the skill. I use it in almost all missions and quests and i breeze through them

Whats the point of playing then?

Chicken Ftw · Jan 03, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Whats the point of playing then?

Silly Malice, nobody plays to enjoy a challenge anymore. GW's rewarding skill premise is out the window, it's all about bears and easy mode now.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 03, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Ursan is handy but it's not what we need; we need a skill balancer who considers PvE before PvP; there would then be no need for Ursan and the like.

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Originally Posted by aapo

He can commit heresy

"Commit" heresy? Care to clarify your arrogant little religion-supporting statement?

Miss Puddles · Jan 03, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

i use it for HM dungeons and vanquishing difficult areas. yes it's boring as hell and takes no skill and can be done whilst thoroughly engaged in a movie on tv, it gets sh*t done. *shrug*

Miss Puddles · Jan 03, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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You're the same people who are condemning racial and sexual minorities just because you don't quite like them. I.e. you're fascists. You think that your opinions are worth more and you're better people than rest of us. For the majority of us, ethics are something related to living in a community. For you, you think qualities and actions even when they have nothing to do with other people can be wrong.
This is exactly analogous situation to people using some Ursan skill on their own closed instance where they can never step on rights of other people.

wow dude, exaggerate much? chicken little ftw.

aapo · Jan 03, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Silly Malice, nobody plays to enjoy a challenge anymore. GW's rewarding skill premise is out the window, it's all about bears and easy mode now.

- Why not? I tried to create a thread saying people could create themselves challenge by not using Heroes that make gaming trivial and instead having fun playing with other people. I was immediately declared fool by community saying "it's fun only if you're masochist" and people went "GFT" for that. So what does some Ursan Blessing have to do with that?

I'm having difficulties finding any consistency in this community.

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"Commit" heresy?

- According to Cambridge Online Dictionary saying "commit heresy" is right.

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Care to clarify your arrogant little religion-supporting statement?

- It's kind of hard to discuss with people who seem to have no reading comprehension at all. How would you sum up my last post? What was the point in that? Do you think that I'm debating whether heresy is a crime or not? Do you not understand that heretics are people who are immoral according to religious people and it's a fitting example of immoral action which doesn't require involvement with other people?

Racthoh · Jan 03, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by aapo

- Why not? I tried to create a thread saying people could create themselves challenge by not using Heroes that make gaming trivial and instead having fun playing with other people. I was immediately declared fool by community saying "it's fun only if you're masochist" and people went "GFT" for that. So what does some Ursan Blessing have to do with that?

What's the point in playing a game if the only way you can make it fun and challenging is to create your own handicaps? I don't see why a player who works to become better should have to penalize themselves because the skill they developed made the game dull for them.